society medicare, that is at issue here. i think that there is -- i'm glad we're having the philosophical discussion about redistribution, about the size of government because i think we need to have that discussion in those terms. i was actually shocked that mitt romney hasn't run as governor mitt romney in a more moderate guy, a guy who would -- i read an article recently that said i was expecting him to campaign on his healthcare bill. this was one of his aides. he didn't campaign on it. he's running against his own healthcare bill when he criticizes president obama's healthcare bill. so i think it is good the country's having this debate over the size and role of government. and i think if president obama wins, whether he really represents what his enemies say he represents, i think it will validate the other side that says there is a role for the size of government that we have now. >> eliot: before you jump in i want to say one thing. there is the philosophical conversation, in a way the more import

person he's ever met. berkeley is hitting him on the issue of medicare because he voted for the ryan budget twice. polls are very, very close there. i would give a slight edge to heller. >> eliot: what does it mean that the voters in nevada don't seem to care that she and berkeley is the subject of an ethics investigation? is this par for the course in washington? something about nevada? that is an interesting phenomenon. >> it's vegas, baby, right? it's interesting. i don't know how much information there is on this. remember we pay attention to this all summer, you know. this dropped in july. i don't know how many voters have a lot of information about the details of the ethics investigation. i do think a lot of voters put their hands up and say look, this is partisan politics. when there is an investigation open anymore it is seen through the lens of partisanship. this guy is doing it because they're in another party. that's part of it. people throwing their hands up and not believing even in inv

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